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Message 106221 - Posted: 1 May 2005, 20:13:19 UTC

I have a old linksys Router and I have noticed that I am getting a lot of collision lights. It is a 10Mbps, now that I am getting the dual HT machine would it be necessary to upgrade to this Router?

LINKSYS BEFSR41 10/100M Router 1 x 10/100Mbps WAN Ports 4 x 10/100Mbps LAN Ports
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Message 106223 - Posted: 1 May 2005, 20:30:04 UTC

Not as a result of the increased BOINC traffic alone.
BOINC traffic is pretty minimal.

You need to establish what is generating lots traffic. It should not be BOINC.

Collisions can be caused by a faulty network card.

BTW are you sure your WAN port is 10/100Mb ?

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Message 106248 - Posted: 1 May 2005, 22:07:19 UTC
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The info on the this router is from a Newegg ad.

I have 3 P4 3.0 hts running on my router at present and was just thinking the dual may be to much for the 10 mbps and I would need the 100 mbps......

Seems that if I have a faulty card, then I would get download and upload errors or am I thinking wrong....
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Message 106279 - Posted: 1 May 2005, 23:31:59 UTC - in response to Message 106248.  

> The info on the this router is from a Newegg ad.
>
> I have 3 P4 3.0 hts running on my router at present and was just thinking the
> dual may be to much for the 10 mbps and I would need the 100 mbps......
>
> Seems that if I have a faulty card, then I would get download and upload
> errors or am I thinking wrong....
>

I should have looked-up your router first.... I had just assumed it was a router/modem, and a modem port at that speed seemed unreal ;)

What remains true, is that if you are getting collisions, they are due to traffic between your PCs and/or the PCs and the router. These collisions are unlikely to be affected by internet traffic - I'm guessing again - your imtrenet connection is most likely to be 512Kb so at absolute max continuous throughput it could use 5% of your 10Mb LAN bandwidth.

From distant memory, i recall reading something about the Ethernet protocol, that suggested that collisions become inevitable when you reach about 10% of your network capacity - in other words if you are pushing over 1Mb of data across your network per second every second, there will be collisions if any other device tries to talk.

On the scale of things, BOINC is only going to transfer less than 1Mb per hour per PC on your network, or 1/3600th of your capicity - so BOINC itsself on another PC wont necessitate a network update.

Occasional colisions are not a problem and you cannot necessarily trust the lights to tell you much. You need look at what you are running on the network and why it's talking over the network so much.

Again, it can be a faulty network card broadcasting junk on the eternet LAN for no reason.

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Message 106325 - Posted: 2 May 2005, 1:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 106279.  

> > The info on the this router is from a Newegg ad.
> >
> > I have 3 P4 3.0 hts running on my router at present and was just thinking
> the
> > dual may be to much for the 10 mbps and I would need the 100 mbps......
> >
> > Seems that if I have a faulty card, then I would get download and upload
> > errors or am I thinking wrong....
> >
>
> I should have looked-up your router first.... I had just assumed it was a
> router/modem, and a modem port at that speed seemed unreal ;)
>
> What remains true, is that if you are getting collisions, they are due to
> traffic between your PCs and/or the PCs and the router. These collisions are
> unlikely to be affected by internet traffic - I'm guessing again - your
> imtrenet connection is most likely to be 512Kb so at absolute max continuous
> throughput it could use 5% of your 10Mb LAN bandwidth.
>
> From distant memory, i recall reading something about the Ethernet protocol,
> that suggested that collisions become inevitable when you reach about 10% of
> your network capacity - in other words if you are pushing over 1Mb of data
> across your network per second every second, there will be collisions if any
> other device tries to talk.
>
> On the scale of things, BOINC is only going to transfer less than 1Mb per hour
> per PC on your network, or 1/3600th of your capicity - so BOINC itsself on
> another PC wont necessitate a network update.
>
> Occasional colisions are not a problem and you cannot necessarily trust the
> lights to tell you much. You need look at what you are running on the network
> and why it's talking over the network so much.
>
> Again, it can be a faulty network card broadcasting junk on the eternet LAN
> for no reason.
>
>

Thank you very much for the info.....
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Message 106383 - Posted: 2 May 2005, 7:14:45 UTC
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Colisions lights are pretty much worthless unless the light is solid, not blinking. Your eyes can only pick up about 30 flashes per second. And if you have less than 30 packets colisions per second you should be fine. However...it might not be a bad idea to get yourself a new linksys router. They are so cheap and if you have 3 p4 i am guessing you can afford and extra 40 bucks. Really though unless you are streaming video accross your network this will make NO difference. Colisions will always happen with ethernet. Increassing the bandwith WILL NOT help reduce colisions. The fact of the matter is though if you are only using the network for internet and occasional file sharing, you could use a 5 mb router and you wouldnt even know the difference. Cause most highspeed internet can't get the fast. Save your money or look kool. Your choice.
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Message 106519 - Posted: 2 May 2005, 20:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 106383.  

> Colisions lights are pretty much worthless unless the light is solid, not
> blinking. Your eyes can only pick up about 30 flashes per second. And if you
> have less than 30 packets colisions per second you should be fine.
> However...it might not be a bad idea to get yourself a new linksys router.
> They are so cheap and if you have 3 p4 i am guessing you can afford and extra
> 40 bucks. Really though unless you are streaming video accross your network
> this will make NO difference. Colisions will always happen with ethernet.
> Increassing the bandwith WILL NOT help reduce colisions. The fact of the
> matter is though if you are only using the network for internet and occasional
> file sharing, you could use a 5 mb router and you wouldnt even know the
> difference. Cause most highspeed internet can't get the fast. Save your
> money or look kool. Your choice.
> SHU
> ps i would wanna look kool
>



Nah, I think I will stick will the 9 year old router, I have such fond memories of trying to figure it out years ago.....
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