AFAIK, everyone has to pay for their net bandwitdh.

I assume that Paul is paying in some way (apart of course simply for the effort he puts in) for hosting this essential site.

Wouldn't it be appropriate for Berleley to offer to host this site on their hardware/bandwidth?

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Mike sounds good but when Berkeley is down....a lot of folks need to try and find out why and Paul's site is invaluable in those circumstances. So....if it were at UCB....then it may well be down too.

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Yes, I am paying for the hosting.

Since I am project agnostic (for the most part) it would be difficult to "fairly" allocate the cost to one project over another.

There have been talks off and on about how to handle this with no adequate answers as to the "best" way to eat the elephant.

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> Mike sounds good but when Berkeley is down....a lot of folks need to try and
> find out why and Paul's site is invaluable in those circumstances. So....if it
> were at UCB....then it may well be down too.
>

Good point Ian,
I suppose in the first place, the other BOINC projects could provide mirrors.

Second, the database and/or high-volume links to Berekely have been down as we well know, but the web-server has been pretty solid.

Lastly, (I could be wrong, I've not read the whole site) Pauls' documentation doesn't cover tracing network problems, or carry the news of current problems/issues.

@Paul
I thought that might well be the case, but your BOINC pages will no doubt grow, as will the number of users referring to them. It would be unfair if your real life work and projects start to suffer congestion, or you have to increase bandwidth because of BOINC.
This is most definately NOT a suggestion that you should take it away ;)

/edit
Just seen what you mean by agnostic - all the projects could mirror it, with equal cost.

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Mike. Yes a mirror arrangement would be good. Hmmm perhaps we should have something for network issues includuded...interested Paul?......they do happen as you say Mike. Also when they don't happen ...they look as though they do...if you get my drift. Anyhow I would have thought something not cogent might be better as their recent track record does not inspire great confidnce......perhaps harsh but....true for me.My guess would be something independent that points to Paul's work which is in turn hosted at a number of sites. Get some resilience that way. Finally...yes....you'll need another T1 or so Paul when classic users finally migrate....get ready I guess. The hits on my single page on european network problems took over 20,000 hits....so thats what has to be coped with when there is trouble for users. Regards.

ps Just noticed boinc.com is available!

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Paul, why don't you put a Google banner on your site, like I do on BOINCstats, Zain on Synergy, and others do it as well. You could put it anywhere on your site, where it least bothers you.

It doesn't pay much (especially when nobody clicks), but it covers most of my bandwidth costs.

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Join team BOINCstats

> Yes, I am paying for the hosting.
>
> Since I am project agnostic (for the most part) it would be difficult to
> "fairly" allocate the cost to one project over another.
>
> There have been talks off and on about how to handle this with no adequate
> answers as to the "best" way to eat the elephant.

Paul.. how much bandwidth are you eating a month?

If it's around where I think it is, I can certainly host for you free of cost on the server BoincZilla is running on. It also runs a few Slackware related websites but is otherwise really under utilized. :-)

It's a relatively powerful box at a good colo facility.

So, if costs get to where you don't want to pay them any more, you know where to find me....

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Rob

I am using 1and1 as my host. The current fee is about $60 a quarter. which is way tolerable. Though BillG has nothing to fear, my income is sufficient to this point. Heck, if you look close, I also pay for 7 fairly decent computers to run 24x7 ... :)

Hoping to get number 8 soon too ...

None of this interferes with my "work" as I am fully disabled; so, this is my work. :)

When I can work on it, I do, when I can't I don't ...

Like for about the last month I have not done much at all ... minor changes only as people point out small mistakes ...

Most of the issues as far as moving and hosting at the moment are ownership and format of the data along with what tools to use. Since I own the host as it were, and the data, I can maintain close to what I feel is a good level of quality in the content. I can also use third party tools (phpDig and phpMyFAQ) that seem to be out of favor in the BOINC development community. I mean, why are "we" reinventing BBS when there are open source forums (for example)?

Also, because of the exensive linking within the content, it would be hard to cut up the content to place it within the project sites.

I have had offers of help, but most of the time it breaks down because I like to use text editors and most people don't ... but I find that it allows me better control over the content formatting and smaller page sizes.

As far as bandwidth I haven't a clue, but with less than 20K visits even to the home page over more than 6 months ... well, it is not insurrmountable at this time.

Anyway, it is a public resource and unless and until the community can show an interest in some other mechanism I don't see much of a need for change. More importantly, most people don't realize how hard it is to do this kind of think. One simple question can take a week to reseach, collect data and so foth, then a a day or two to make a write up. Which may only be a paragraph.

Anyway, I thank you for the attention I appreciate it and the offers ...

And I think the google banners are ugly ... and I still have SOME pride left ... :)

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