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Message 98376 - Posted: 13 Apr 2005, 17:52:31 UTC

I just found out about a plan in Wisconsin that would allow the killing of wild cats in that state. But the really bad part about the proposal was that apparently the plan will also allow the killing of stray cats and even cats that are household pets! If I was cat in Wisconson, I'd be looking for a bulletproof vest right now.

I wonder what people have to say about this outrage.

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Message 98381 - Posted: 13 Apr 2005, 18:03:57 UTC

I heard about this the other day. Maybe it's a sign of the Apocalypse, one of the plagues.

I don't think just out right killing them is the answer.
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Message 98399 - Posted: 13 Apr 2005, 19:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 98381.  
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> I heard about this the other day. Maybe it's a sign of the Apocalypse, one of
> the plagues.
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> I don't think just out right killing them is the answer.
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Yes, I'd say it's too cruel. I can understand hunting wild cats, but stray household cats? Dunno about the Apocalypse though.
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Message 98500 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 1:16:47 UTC

CATS PREPARE FOR WISCONSIN CAT HUNT PLANS!

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Message 98519 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 1:50:42 UTC - in response to Message 98381.  

> I heard about this the other day. Maybe it's a sign of the Apocalypse, one of
> the plagues.
>
> I don't think just out right killing them is the answer.
>


The obligitory questions:
1) How bad is the problem?
2) What alternatives exist?

Hunting is always fought, but more often than most will admit, it is the only feasible solution. Ignore that it is a "pet" animal, this could just as easily be be rats, opossum, or any other nuisance animal. Cats are every bit as dangerous especially the feral ones. Rabies, is a concern, for both the current situation, and that risk also makes general round-ups (live capture) not the option it would first appear to be.

And long term, capture won't help. There simply aren't enough people willing to adopt them. So maybe I'm missing another option (I've got a nasty little cold right now), but I don't see many other options.


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Message 98521 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 1:52:22 UTC

Minnesota and either North or South Dakota and had a similar law on the books for decades.

I have 3 cats as roommates (you don't own cats - they think they own me!)
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Message 98527 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 2:00:35 UTC - in response to Message 98521.  

> Minnesota and either North or South Dakota and had a similar law on the books
> for decades.
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> I have 3 cats as roommates (you don't own cats - they think they own me!)
>

Ferel Cats are the meanest low down inbread animals
The are a pest that needs to be dealt with...

If you own a cat get them fixed and make sure they have an Id and collar.

I feel bad that some, SOME domestic cats will be hurt or killed
but, it needs to be done somehow.




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Message 98551 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 3:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 98527.  



> Ferel Cats are the meanest low down inbread animals
> The are a pest that needs to be dealt with...
>

One of my three was a feral cat.. Got her when she could fit in my palm. (10 years ago).

I'll admit that she's not the smartest cat I've ever seen, but she's cool.. (It took her a few years to understand that I was the same person standing up as sitting and would hide for hours if the ceiling fans are on)

> If you own a cat get them fixed and make sure they have an Id and collar.

No doubt about getting them fixed, but in 10 years, my feral cat has never been outside my back yard (when outside). She may not know that she can climb over the block wall!
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> I feel bad that some, SOME domestic cats will be hurt or killed
> but, it needs to be done somehow.
>
I really doubt that the new law would have hunters in the streets of Milwaukee gunning down cats. I'm sure this law is meant for rural areas, as most towns/cities prohibit hunting. In cities, the "dog catcher" just catches them and puts them to sleep after 72 hours.

The problem isn't the cats, it's the folks that own one and then let it go wild...
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Message 98553 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 3:36:11 UTC - in response to Message 98551.  

>
>
> > Ferel Cats are the meanest low down inbread animals
> > The are a pest that needs to be dealt with...
> >
>
> One of my three was a feral cat.. Got her when she could fit in my palm. (10
> years ago).
>
>
You got a kitty, A redneck Kitty but try to own an adult livin in the wild..

I have had contact with cats kept in a house for years running wild.

Inbread for many generations some weired stuff.


The problem isn't the cats, it's the folks that own one and then let it go wild...

I agree 100% Should Shoot the owners....




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Message 98557 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 4:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 98553.  
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> >
> >
> > > Ferel Cats are the meanest low down inbread animals
> > > The are a pest that needs to be dealt with...
> > >
> >
> > One of my three was a feral cat.. Got her when she could fit in my palm.
> (10
> > years ago).
> >
> >
> You got a kitty, A redneck Kitty but try to own an adult livin in the wild..

Not a redneck, just one that is far from the brighest bulb on the sting...
I mean she doesn't consider "redman" and a bud a kitty treat!


I do think it wouldn't have worked if I got her after a certain point, as wild cats after a certain point don't learn things that domestic cats understand (like the litter box thing)

When I got the feral cat, there were 2 other older cats in the house that kept it in check! (one played "mom cat")


>
> I have had contact with cats kept in a house for years running wild.
>
> Inbread for many generations some weired stuff.
>
>
> The problem isn't the cats, it's the folks that own one and then let it go
> wild...
>
> I agree 100% Should Shoot the owners....


There was a case, in just the last week, here in Phx, where a couple had something over 100 dogs/cats in their yard. The authories found out about it, and all but 4 animals had to be put to sleep, as they were in such poor shape. Maybe not shoot the owners, but put them in jail!

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Message 98586 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 5:41:49 UTC

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Message 98634 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 8:05:56 UTC
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When I was a child (yes, that did happen) our cat was killed by a
feral cat. In some areas of Western Australia, they have completely
wiped out some local eco-systems. Kill the bastards. And as an aside,
how would you and your children like to meet up with a pack of feral dogs.
Same thing applys. I'd rather confront a wolf pack instead.

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Message 98719 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 14:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 98634.  

> When I was a child (yes, that did happen) our cat was killed by a
> feral cat. In some areas of Western Australia, they have completely
> wiped out some local eco-systems. Kill the bastards. And as an aside,
> how would you and your children like to meet up with a pack of feral dogs.
> Same thing applys. I'd rather confront a wolf pack instead.
>
>

[[b]PERK</B>] Somebody say wolf pack !!!!


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Message 98727 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 15:36:18 UTC - in response to Message 98586.  
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> Wis.
> Governor Rejects Cat-Hunting Idea

>

Nice to see the governor has some common sense. He seems to realize that Wisconson may become accociated with animal cruelty.
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Message 98729 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 15:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 98634.  
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> When I was a child (yes, that did happen) our cat was killed by a
> feral cat. In some areas of Western Australia, they have completely
> wiped out some local eco-systems. Kill the bastards. And as an aside,
> how would you and your children like to meet up with a pack of feral dogs.
> Same thing applys. I'd rather confront a wolf pack instead.
>

Wild cats is one thing, but if this was to become law, then even pets could be killed. This is from the WSTM story: Under the proposal, any stray cat could be shot, even a household pet without a collar that is outside of its owner's control.
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Message 98748 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 16:25:10 UTC - in response to Message 98729.  
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Alex, The % of domestic cats being killed is low
It is more Cruel to abandon housecats than killing them.

Frankly I would like to see them trapped and put down.

There is a mass overpopulation of Cats in the wild
who produce faster that domesticated Cats.

I would not associate this with animal cruelty
There is a big differnce here. Shot them and they
are dead. Unless your a bad shot then they suffer.
again that % is small.

Animal Crulety is
1. Dont feed it
2. Declaw it and let it outside
3. Skin it
4. Not Spay or Neuter.....
Abuse etc I can go on and on...

I have seen it first hand, The Abuse that has been done
to animals and it ain't pretty thats for sure.

The control has to be done some how. remember there is more money spent
on hyping Animal rights than actully spent on the Manhours it would take
to Capture and put the cats down.

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Message 98807 - Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 20:06:33 UTC - in response to Message 98748.  
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> Alex, The % of domestic cats being killed is low
> It is more Cruel to abandon housecats than killing them.
>
> Frankly I would like to see them trapped and put down.
>
> There is a mass overpopulation of Cats in the wild
> who produce faster that domesticated Cats.
>
> I would not associate this with animal cruelty
> There is a big differnce here. Shot them and they
> are dead. Unless your a bad shot then they suffer.
> again that % is small.
>
> Animal Crulety is
> 1. Dont feed it
> 2. Declaw it and let it outside
> 3. Skin it
> 4. Not Spay or Neuter.....
> Abuse etc I can go on and on...
>
> I have seen it first hand, The Abuse that has been done
> to animals and it ain't pretty thats for sure.
>
> The control has to be done some how. remember there is more money spent
> on hyping Animal rights than actully spent on the Manhours it would take
> to Capture and put the cats down.
>

Okay, I see your point, and it makes sense I guess. I'm not suggesting that you would accociate with any kind of animal cruelty, and I agree with your references of animal cruelty. I'm more worried about stray people than stray cats -- hehe. Many people let their cats out a lot so they can hunt, and that's good for rat and mice probs in populated areas. It's even better when there are stray cats out chasing down and eating problem rats and mice. There is good and bad though: From Encarta:

Cats that are allowed outside have some degree of freedom and independence, and may enjoy hunting small animals and interacting with other cats; they get plenty of exercise and are unlikely to become bored or lonely. The outdoors, however, poses many hazards to cats, even in rural areas. An outdoor cat may be struck by a car, poisoned by common pesticides, or injured by other animals (other cats, dogs, and, in some areas, wild animals such as coyotes). In addition, the cat may be exposed to the fatal feline diseases that are endemic in the stray cat population. According to some authorities, a cat that is permitted outdoors has an average life expectancy of two to three years; conversely, the average life expectancy of an indoor cat is about 15 years.

I think that someone can come up with diferrent conclusions from this article about what's best for cats.

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Message 98883 - Posted: 15 Apr 2005, 1:15:11 UTC - in response to Message 98748.  

> Animal Crulety is
> 2. Declaw it

That by itself is animal cruelty since they amputate the toes to do it. It would be like amputating the end of your fingers and toes (at the last knuckle) to get rid of your nails. Bone, ligaments, everything...
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Message 98951 - Posted: 15 Apr 2005, 2:51:34 UTC



I've heard no one express any empathy for the tweety's of this world....
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