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Message 96886 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 7:12:26 UTC

I have had 22 4.10 WU's in my cache for 5-6 days, SETI refuses to respond (no schedulers responded). I have seen that others have reverted back to 4.09, but I can't find a way to do that. Today I upgraded to BOINC 4.25 in hopes that it would jolt SETI into some sort of response...Nothing but more deferred communication. I'll keep these 22 "ready to report" WU's until they expire next week, then I guess I'll reset, unless someone tells me which hoop to jump through to report & save this work. LHC & Einstein are now splitting SETI's 50% share...Before I added Einstein this week SETI was getting 100%, while LHC was making WU's.

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Message 96944 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 8:32:21 UTC

Hi

Did you hit manually update?
I had no problems to report my 4.10 results.

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Message 96954 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 9:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 96886.  

Going back to 4.09 will happen automatically - when you next download work, it will recognize that this work must be processed by 4.09 and download the appropriate .Exe if you don't already have it.

But all that's not going to happen until a scheduler responds!

Since there are no current problems at Berkeley, you should be getting scheduler response - not 100% of the time perhaps, but 90% or better.

So the problem seems to lie at your end.... Two things come to mind:

a) Firewall, do you have one (WinXP SP2=Yes, 3rd Party=Maybe).
Is it allowing 'setiathome_4.10_windows_intelx86.Exe' access? (4.09 would have had access, 4.10 needs the same)
You've upgraded to BOINC 4.25, same firewall question (if other projects are working, this shouldn't be an issue)
b) Some problem/corruption of your SETI account file (account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml)

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Message 96958 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 10:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 96954.  

> a) Firewall, do you have one (WinXP SP2=Yes, 3rd Party=Maybe).
> Is it allowing 'setiathome_4.10_windows_intelx86.Exe' access? (4.09 would have
> had access, 4.10 needs the same)
> You've upgraded to BOINC 4.25, same firewall question (if other projects are
> working, this shouldn't be an issue)

I never had to give the seti app access through the firewall, nor any of the other projects apps. Only boinc needs it.
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Message 96962 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 10:25:54 UTC

Did you never download the 4.10 executable? If not, and it was pulled, you may need to abort the 4.10 WUs. I know that hurts others, but it may be the only way out.



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Message 96994 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 13:08:36 UTC

Just a random thought here. If you're using a modem or slow DSL... I have had problems of Seti site timing out more easily than other projects if my P2P is on.

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Message 96996 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 13:25:36 UTC - in response to Message 96886.  
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> I have had 22 4.10 WU's in my cache for 5-6 days, SETI refuses to respond (no
> schedulers responded). I have seen that others have reverted back to 4.09, but
> I can't find a way to do that. Today I upgraded to BOINC 4.25 in hopes that it
> would jolt SETI into some sort of response...Nothing but more deferred
> communication. I'll keep these 22 "ready to report" WU's until they expire
> next week, then I guess I'll reset, unless someone tells me which hoop to jump
> through to report & save this work. LHC & Einstein are now splitting
> SETI's 50% share...Before I added Einstein this week SETI was getting 100%,
> while LHC was making WU's.
>
Morning, Are you successfully contacting, uploading, and Reporting work to Einstein and/or LHC? It seems there is a problem. However, It appears to be most likely with the client (your puter). If you can work with Einstein and/or LHC than we'll have to narrow this down some.

hope this helps

tony

I can connect right now:
4/10/2005 9:29:34 AM|SETI@home|Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
4/10/2005 9:29:38 AM|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
4/10/2005 9:29:38 AM|SETI@home|Host location: home
4/10/2005 9:29:38 AM|SETI@home|Using your default project prefs
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Message 97021 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 15:38:43 UTC

Hi

From Einstein Homepage.

April 7, 2005
During the next few days we will finish the first round of S3 analysis and begin a second round. As we finish up the first round of S3 analysis, users may find that they are getting a new data file with each workunit; users with modem connections may want to suspend Einstein@Home for a few days to avoid multiple long downloads. Note that there may also be some instability in a few days as we shift to new workunits.


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Message 97053 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 16:56:41 UTC

Thank you all for some thought provoking replies.

I have the same feeling that the problem is at my end, but I have made no changes that would effect access. I am running Win XP but no Service Pack upgrades; Windows Firewall is not running, but Zone Alarm is allowing BOINC LHC & Einstein complete access and has always allowed SETI access (I have exited ZA and made attempts to contact schedulers with the same results); I have two 4.10 files (1 PDB & 1 Application) in my setiathome project folder & no 4.09 files; I am on dial up, but have attempted to connect to SETI at least 100 times at all times of day or night to report these WU's.

I am not certain what a corruption of my SETI account file (account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml) entails., but when I open it with Mozilla a message appears at the top:
"This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.", which appears to be benign. I supposed that my authenticator number could be flawed, but I don't know how to check it against an accurate number.

Still at a loss...
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Message 97063 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 17:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 97053.  
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> Thank you all for some thought provoking replies.
>
> I have the same feeling that the problem is at my end, but I have made no
> changes that would effect access. I am running Win XP but no Service Pack
> upgrades; Windows Firewall is not running, but Zone Alarm is allowing BOINC
> LHC & Einstein complete access and has always allowed SETI access (I have
> exited ZA and made attempts to contact schedulers with the same results); I
> have two 4.10 files (1 PDB & 1 Application) in my setiathome project
> folder & no 4.09 files; I am on dial up, but have attempted to connect to
> SETI at least 100 times at all times of day or night to report these WU's.
>
> I am not certain what a corruption of my SETI account file
> (account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml) entails., but when I open it with
> Mozilla a message appears at the top:
> "This XML file does not appear to have any style information
> associated with it. The document tree is shown below.", which appears to be
> benign. I supposed that my authenticator number could be flawed, but I don't
> know how to check it against an accurate number.
>
> Still at a loss...
>

I wondered if ZoneAlarm might be involved. Have you actually looked at the ZA program list to see what it has allowed. IMO ZA is very flakey about asking for permissions for programs even when it is set to 'Ask'

You should have two entries, for BOINC Manager and BOINC Core Client.

I know you said you tested with ZA off, but IMO ZA seems to have a fail-safe mode - unload it and the blocks/permissions remain in effect. Only removing it from startup and re-booting really gets rid of it.

Also, you say You're running XP with No Service Packs? Is there a good reason for this? Many things changed in SP1 and SP2, and as of now, your system must be/becomming very insecure... even if you have previously kept up-to-date with security patches, MS withdrew Windowes Update support recently for pre-SP1.

I doubt that there are many vanilla XP systems running BOINC, or that Berkeley are testing BOINC on original XP. This could simply be the whole problem.


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Message 97137 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 20:34:05 UTC

I completely removed ZA from start up, same thing. ZA actually has four entries for BOINC including the two left over from 4.19.

I've attempted to upgrade SP1 a couple of times but some error always prevented success. So I quit trying; too much hassle on dial up...There will be another newer version of Windows out soon enough... I doubt that the lack of SP upgrades has any effect... LHC & Einstein keep plugging away and until last week I had no problem and probably won't after I reset next week.

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Message 97196 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 22:30:12 UTC - in response to Message 97137.  

> I completely removed ZA from start up, same thing. ZA actually has four
> entries for BOINC including the two left over from 4.19.
>
> I've attempted to upgrade SP1 a couple of times but some error always
> prevented success. So I quit trying; too much hassle on dial up...There will
> be another newer version of Windows out soon enough... I doubt that the lack
> of SP upgrades has any effect... LHC & Einstein keep plugging away and
> until last week I had no problem and probably won't after I reset next week.
>
>
>
Hope it sorts out next week then.
FYI, most decent Computer magazines carry a CD/DVD with the full SP2 every few issuesm, and MS will be happy to send you a CD (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx)

I'm particularly concerned about one Windows XP vulnerability, the RPC worm (whatever it was called). IIRC this can either compromise your system or crash the RPC service. BOINC relies on the RPC service to communicate to/from manager-client.

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Message 97231 - Posted: 10 Apr 2005, 23:23:42 UTC - in response to Message 97196.  

>
> FYI, most decent Computer magazines carry a CD/DVD with the full SP2 every few
> issuesm, and MS will be happy to send you a CD
>
I did not know this. Thanks.
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