Is there anyway that the Boinc program can update itself from within the program? I'm currently running 4.19 on most of my machines or older because it's a real hassle to keep updating manually. In Windows ia makes you totally uninstall the previous version before you can install the new version. This is a real pain when there are new updates every month with having to input all your information for your various projects everytime. This would really be a nice feature if some upcoming release would just update itself automatically like most programs can without having to do a manual uninstall and install each time.

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> Is there anyway that the Boinc program can update itself from within the
> program? I'm currently running 4.19 on most of my machines or older because
> it's a real hassle to keep updating manually. In Windows ia makes you totally
> uninstall the previous version before you can install the new version. This
> is a real pain when there are new updates every month with having to input all
> your information for your various projects everytime. This would really be a
> nice feature if some upcoming release would just update itself automatically
> like most programs can without having to do a manual uninstall and install
> each time.
>
The Boinc core will probably never be self updating only the engine that does the actual crunching is downloaded as required for new data format and analysis.
Most updates can be installed on top of the existing software. Even for those cases that require an uninstall of the program, which usually takes me 1 min., the data files are not removed. The updated program is installed in the original directory and when run, starts back up crunching at the exact point where Boinc had left off.

So far I only had one update that messed up. That was because the first posting of the file was currupted, and I chanced to be one of the first to DL it.

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Boinc V7.2.42
Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470

> Is there anyway that the Boinc program can update itself from within the
> program? I'm currently running 4.19 on most of my machines or older because
> it's a real hassle to keep updating manually. In Windows ia makes you totally
> uninstall the previous version before you can install the new version. This
> is a real pain when there are new updates every month with having to input all
> your information for your various projects everytime. This would really be a
> nice feature if some upcoming release would just update itself automatically
> like most programs can without having to do a manual uninstall and install
> each time.
>
The reason you had to uninstall for version 4.2? was that it includes a whole new core client. Prior to that you could just install right over the top of the old one, no uninstalling required. Hopefully the future will be just like the past, no uninstalling required until they do another rewrite.
You also realize that there is NO requirement to upgrade until version 5 comes out?!
MAJOR version upgrades are REQUIRED, minor ones are not. Of course that COULD change if Berkeley sees an immenent need for an upgrade.
There are STILL people running version 4.13 out there.

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> MAJOR version upgrades are REQUIRED, minor ones are not. Of course that COULD
> change if Berkeley sees an immenent need for an upgrade.
> There are STILL people running version 4.13 out there.
>
This is not stickily correct. The Einstein project requires version 4.19 or greater for the new WU.

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Boinc V7.2.42
Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470

I actually didn't know we didn't need to update till version 5. I just kept hearing people here on this board about how people don't update and they keep complaining about people running old software that is just a few points behind the current. From the sound of those people I thought you people were updating just nonstop. Now that I know I won't update till the major ones are out. Thanks.

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> I actually didn't know we didn't need to update till version 5. I just kept
> hearing people here on this board about how people don't update and they keep
> complaining about people running old software that is just a few points behind
> the current. From the sound of those people I thought you people were
> updating just nonstop. Now that I know I won't update till the major ones are
> out. Thanks.
>
Only a few nut like myself that like to tryout the latest, greatest, bug filled, bleeding edge alpha version update daily.

At the moment all is really 'needed' to run all the different projects is v4.19.
v4.2x provide some nice features like suspend individual WU or project but it still needs work to implement or restore other features.

Boinc v.4.27

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Boinc V7.2.42
Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470

> I actually didn't know we didn't need to update till version 5. I just kept
> hearing people here on this board about how people don't update and they keep
> complaining about people running old software that is just a few points behind
> the current. From the sound of those people I thought you people were
> updating just nonstop. Now that I know I won't update till the major ones are
> out. Thanks.
>
This is not true. There is a minimum client version that projects will send work to, currently PP@H = 4.16, E@H = 4.19, CPDN = 4.05, and seti I think requires 4.13. These numbers can be changed server side at any time so it is a good idea to keep your clients up to date. However it is not normally something you have to rush out and do immediately. I would advise as you go around to these computers that you update them one at a time that way you won't be caught flatfooted when the minimum version is increased.

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BOINC WIKI

BOINCing since 2002/12/8

> You also realize that there is NO requirement to upgrade until version 5 comes
> out?!
> MAJOR version upgrades are REQUIRED, minor ones are not. Of course that COULD
> change if Berkeley sees an immenent need for an upgrade.
> There are STILL people running version 4.13 out there.

Sooooo not true. If you check those who run 4.13, you'll notice that they don't download one workunit correctly. And if you check BOINC download page, you won't see any CC versions below 4.19 (which is recommended by most and required by some projects). I ranted about users that still run 4.13 as irresponsible and ignorant and called them names like "fools" in another thread, only to see that people are more concerned about name-calling than doing science. If I ran a computer farm, I'd check and update even more often than I am now on my single computer. Therefore IMO people @ Berkeley should do more about having users run fresh clients.

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> I actually didn't know we didn't need to update till version 5. I just kept
> hearing people here on this board about how people don't update and they keep
> complaining about people running old software that is just a few points behind
> the current. From the sound of those people I thought you people were
> updating just nonstop. Now that I know I won't update till the major ones are
> out. Thanks.
>

Actually, due to a download-bug in v4.13 it's highly recommended anyone still running v4.13 and older upgrades. Users still running v4.13 is generating so many download-errors especially after an outage that some wu will error-out instead of being crunched and validated, so is actually interfering with the science.

v4.25 has fixed a bug with parsing of scheduler-reply, so for windows-users v4.25 is my recommended version. Still, when some more bugs has been fixed and non-windows has catched up, there will most likely be another release "soon", so if you're running v4.19 you can wait to upgrade.

> v4.25 has fixed a bug with parsing of scheduler-reply, so for windows-users
> v4.25 is my recommended version. Still, when some more bugs has been fixed and
> non-windows has catched up, there will most likely be another release "soon",
> so if you're running v4.19 you can wait to upgrade.

Does anyone here know if CPDN has fixed the signature problem for 4.25? I asked over there, but no answer as yet.

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> Does anyone here know if CPDN has fixed the signature problem for 4.25? I
> asked over there, but no answer as yet.
>

CPDN released new v4.10-applications just before the v4.25 BOINC core client was released, mainly to fix the signature-problems. Atleast the new windows-version works...

> CPDN released new v4.10-applications just before the v4.25 BOINC core client
> was released, mainly to fix the signature-problems. Atleast the new
> windows-version works...

Hmmm, maybe it is only the Macintosh version that is still having signature problems ... One of my windows machines is 4 days out from completing its model so I will see if it can get a new model or not ...

It should not matter about the Science Application though, the signature is a web site/scheduler/BOINC Daemon issue ... but I converted all machines over to 4.25 and don't plan to step back to the 4.19 version ...

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Vidmar,

> I ranted about users that still run 4.13 as irresponsible and ignorant and called them names like "fools" in another thread, only to see that people are more concerned about name-calling than doing science.

So I am not concerned about doing science, is that it? I have crunched at least as much as you for SETI. And I joined before you did. Or do you refer to other "people"?

If you read my reply again, you will notice that I actually made a contribution to the discussion with suggestion of a solution. You will also notice, perhaps, that I don't call you any names. Now, you place quote marks around your previous bashing, hoping everybody will see how tame this word really is.

And why do you comment my post in another thread? Don't you think it's more fair to do it where it originated?

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> I ranted about users that still run 4.13 as irresponsible and ignorant and
> called them names like "fools" in another thread, only to see that people are
> more concerned about name-calling than doing science.

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

Not wanting to listen to you degrade other users does not mean a person doesn't care about Science.

I didn't know about any signature problems, have you tried Boincwapstats? I host one on my server.

CLICK HERE for your Dynamic Boinc Signature
.

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<a href="http://www.brainsmashr.com"><img src="http://www.brainsmashr.com/signature.gif"><img src="http://brainsmashr.com/boinc/counter_big.php?id=305369&amp;project=seti&amp;ctx=white&amp;cva=red&amp;cbo=white&amp;cbg=black&amp;linethickness=2"></a>

> I didn't know about any signature problems, have you tried Boincwapstats? I
> host one on my server.

They're talking about the programme's digital signature.

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Grant
Darwin NT

> Vidmar,

Actually my name is Vid.

> So I am not concerned about doing science, is that it? I have crunched at
> least as much as you for SETI. And I joined before you did. Or do you refer
> to other "people"?

I was not refeering to you and am very sorry if I gave you that impression.

> If you read my reply again, you will notice that I actually made a
> contribution to the discussion with suggestion of a solution. You will also
> notice, perhaps, that I don't call you any names. Now, you place quote marks
> around your previous bashing, hoping everybody will see how tame this word
> really is.
>
> And why do you comment my post in another thread? Don't you think it's more
> fair to do it where it originated?

I read your reply and appreciate your suggestion. However, my post in this thread wasn't ment as a reply to it. I was just trying to point at relevance of minor version changes and how quick can a point made be overlooked because of a single word: "fool".

So to make my point again, without rude words:
If you agree, we all are volunteers and to me being a volunteer means taking some responsability and obligations, to others, obviously, it means a lot less.

Happy crunching,

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Vidmar,

> Actually my name is Vid.

I prefer to use your last name.
Or is Vid your last name?

> I was not refeering to you and am very sorry if I gave you that impression.

Who were you referring to then? I was the only one who commented on your language. Do you see anybody else in that thread commenting on this? I don't think so. It's not possible to not get that impression then! Your excuse is right out laughable. But I will refrain from further discussion with you, and instead just put you in my ignore filter.

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Now both of you go to your rooms and stand in corner! And don't come out until I call you for supper!

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98SE XP2500+ @ 2.1 GHz Boinc v5.8.8

And God said"Let there be light."But then the program crashed because he was trying to access the 'light' property of a NULL universe pointer.