Do all Boinc projects require 64 megs of RAM?

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No. It is project and / or work unit specific. einstien recently upped their memory requirements to something like 70Megs of Ram (maybe 72 or 74, I don't recall exactly)

Jim

> Do all Boinc projects require 64 megs of RAM?
>

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The reason I ask is because I may inheret an old laptop with only 32 megs of RAM and I was hoping to run a Boinc project on it.

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> The reason I ask is because I may inheret an old laptop with only 32 megs of
> RAM and I was hoping to run a Boinc project on it.

Might not be that hard to bump it up 64mb.

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I tried to get it to work on a PII(os win98) with less than 128mb ram and would always crash.I hadn't downloaded work yet.

> I tried to get it to work on a PII(os win98) with less than 128mb ram and
> would always crash.I hadn't downloaded work yet.
>

That COULD be the fault of your OS.. Try it with something a little more... modern.

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> That COULD be the fault of your OS.. Try it with something a little more...
> modern.

More likely the hardware, drivers, or other software.
Running Win98SE myself & i only reboot once a week due to IEs memory leaks.

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Grant
Darwin NT

> > That COULD be the fault of your OS.. Try it with something a little
> more...
> > modern.
>
> More likely the hardware, drivers, or other software.
> Running Win98SE myself & i only reboot once a week due to IEs memory
> leaks.
>
I have to reboot my P3-500 win 98 (not SE)about twice a day. It says "running" but no time changes. could this be a mem leak?

thanks ahead of time

tony

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> I have to reboot my P3-500 win 98 (not SE)about twice a day. It says
> "running" but no time changes. could this be a mem leak?

Possibly, memory leaks result in low system resources. Some times you might get Out of Memory error messages, yet still have 256MB of physical RAM (or more) available. Other times things will just slow to a crawl, icons go black or missing, windows become invisible & all sorts of other wierdness.

What programmes are running on your system besides Seti?
Internet Expoloer is a good one for soaking up resources, especially when it is running for more than a hour or so. ICQ is a resource pig & leaks memory like a sieve (certainyl the versions that were around before WinXP did). Photoshop (AFIK) doesn't leak memory- but when it's running there isn't much room for anything else there.
And iffy graphics drivers can bring everthing to a grinding halt with little rhyme nor reason.

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Grant
Darwin NT

> What programmes are running on your system besides Seti?
> Internet Expoloer is a good one for soaking up resources, especially when it
> is running for more than a hour or so. ICQ is a resource pig & leaks
> memory like a sieve (certainyl the versions that were around before WinXP
> did). Photoshop (AFIK) doesn't leak memory- but when it's running there isn't
> much room for anything else there.
> And iffy graphics drivers can bring everthing to a grinding halt with little
> rhyme nor reason.
>
I have replaced the hard drive, reloaded the OS win 98 (not se). Was getting the "no heartbeat" message in slots 0. I ran ms config and removed everything I could from Start up. Mcafee internet suite 7.0 is running (except privacy service). RealVNC server is loaded. Juno (my ISP, dial up), and Boinc are running. After I removed all the start up items my computation times dropped back to a reasonable level. [Oh great, I tried to open 4.22 and get my times, and the bottom taskbar says "Disconnected" instead of "local host". sheesh I shut down Boinc, restarted boinc and I'm still disconnected.] I have my Boinc pref set to "Remove from memory".

let's see.... anything else I can think of...

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I restarted the puter and this is in Slot 2 (seti)

No heartbeat from core client for 30.870001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.600000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.100000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.049999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.029999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.930000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.049999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.320000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.639999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.030001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.040001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.029999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.040001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.029999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.090000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.699999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.490000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.209999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.150000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.030001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.030001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.040001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980000 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.050001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 31.030001 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.969999 sec - exiting
No heartbeat from core client for 30.980001 sec - exiting

also, these are my messages:

2/21/05 9:18:43 AM||Starting BOINC client version 4.22 for windows_intelx86
2/21/05 9:18:43 AM|ProteinPredictorAtHome|Host location: home
2/21/05 9:18:43 AM|ProteinPredictorAtHome|Using your default project prefs
2/21/05 9:18:44 AM|SETI@home|Host location: home
2/21/05 9:18:44 AM|SETI@home|Using your default project prefs
2/21/05 9:18:44 AM|LHC@home|Using your default project prefs
2/21/05 9:18:44 AM|Pirates@Home|Using your default project prefs
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM|ProteinPredictorAtHome|Host ID is 43057
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM|SETI@home|Host ID is 465385
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM|LHC@home|Host ID is 20100
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM|Pirates@Home|Host ID is 7068
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2005-02-15 08:14:13)
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
2/21/05 9:18:45 AM|SETI@home|Resuming computation for result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 using setiathome version 4.09
2/21/05 9:18:46 AM|ProteinPredictorAtHome|Deferring computation for result t0212E_1_94125_2
2/21/05 9:18:46 AM|LHC@home|Deferring communication with project for 1 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 34 seconds
2/21/05 9:18:46 AM|Pirates@Home|Deferring communication with project for 2 days, 0 hours, 32 minutes, and 10 seconds
2/21/05 9:18:46 AM|SETI@home|Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM||Can't resolve hostname [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] (host name not found)
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM|SETI@home|scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed, error -113
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM|SETI@home|Result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM|SETI@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM|SETI@home|Deferring communication with project for 59 seconds
2/21/05 9:19:40 AM|SETI@home|Restarting result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 using setiathome version 4.09
22/21/05 9:21:33 AM|SETI@home|Result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2/21/05 9:21:33 AM|SETI@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
2/21/05 9:21:33 AM|SETI@home|Deferring communication with project for 59 seconds
2/21/05 9:21:35 AM|SETI@home|Restarting result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 using setiathome version 4.09
2/21/05 9:22:16 AM|SETI@home|Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM||Can't resolve hostname [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] (host name not found)
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM|SETI@home|scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed, error -113
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM|SETI@home|Result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM|SETI@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM|SETI@home|Deferring communication with project for 59 seconds
2/21/05 9:23:09 AM|SETI@home|Restarting result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 using setiathome version 4.09
2/21/05 9:24:09 AM||May run out of work in 4.00 days; requesting more
2/21/05 9:24:09 AM|SETI@home|Requesting 281698.98 seconds of work
2/21/05 9:24:09 AM|SETI@home|Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM||Can't resolve hostname [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] (host name not found)
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed, error -113
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|init_op_project failed, error -113
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|Result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|Deferring communication with project for 3 minutes and 53 seconds
2/21/05 9:25:01 AM|SETI@home|Restarting result 29dc04aa.15831.3425.817310.138_3 using setiathome version 4.09

ANy Ideas grant???

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> > That COULD be the fault of your OS.. Try it with something a little
> more...
> > modern.
>
> More likely the hardware, drivers, or other software.
> Running Win98SE myself & i only reboot once a week due to IEs memory
> leaks.
>
I also run one machine with 98SE but it is running Classic at the moment. I reboot it almost NEVER! Seriously, I NEVER reboot it, it does nothing but crunch Classic units, it is a 1ghz Gateway, that has been replaced by newer machines. So it is part of the "farm". It sits in the basement with some of the rest of the "farm". The ONLY time I reboot it is when it stops returning units to the machine I have setup with SetiQueue, an external cache. I did have to reboot it recently when I switched routers from a D-Link to a LinkSys though. Before that it hadn't been rebooted in more than 2 months, could be more like 5 or 6 months! Yes I have heard about the memory leaks but apparently just sitting there doing nothing but run Seti they don't occur.

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I have 1 Pentium 1-233 with 98SE and 128M of memory. It runs Boinc-S@H, and I hardly reboot it. Of course it does nothing but crunch WU, and has nearly no other software on it (Firefox just in case, but that is all). It goes into a blank screen saver, and stays there until I decide to go look if it's running OK. I see WU getting picked up and dropped off on my account pages, so I usually do not worry about it often.

So, they can run Boinc, and take about 40 hours to crunch a WU. Other than that, it just helps heat up the room a little.

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> RealVNC server is loaded.

What are oyu using that for?


> ANy Ideas grant???

Could be a problem with 4.22, i'm only running Seti so i'm using 4.19


On my system i don't have any AV software or a firewall (i'm the only one that uses it & i'm carefull where i go & and i click on).
The only things that are running all the time are my UPS software, BOINC/Seti & a weather programme that downloads data from my weather station.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Tony,

It looks like its that "Can't resolve hostname" error. Whats wrong with your DNS?

From the log times, the DNS lookup is taking almost a minute. Thats almost a minute where BOINC is tied up waiting for a response from the DNS server. And not sending heartbeat messages to the science apps.

Your transfer times look like you're using a dial-up connection, is that correct? Might explain the DNS problem if you have the machines networked together with an occasional dial-up to your ISP. Theres ways to "fix" your DNS but it depends on how you have everything set up.

Quick fix is to tell BOINC to disable network access. Then enable it only when you're connected.

Grant, and Walt

> It looks like its that "Can't resolve hostname" error. Whats wrong with your
> DNS?
>
> From the log times, the DNS lookup is taking almost a minute. Thats almost a
> minute where BOINC is tied up waiting for a response from the DNS server. And
> not sending heartbeat messages to the science apps.
>
> Your transfer times look like you're using a dial-up connection, is that
> correct? Might explain the DNS problem if you have the machines
> networked together with an occasional dial-up to your ISP. Theres ways to
> "fix" your DNS but it depends on how you have everything set up.
>
> Quick fix is to tell BOINC to disable network access. Then enable it only
> when you're connected.
>
Grant, RealVNC is my virtual network controller, it allows me to run any computer on my network (3 puters) from any one of them.

Walt, I'm not familiar with the DNS. I've read a little but not much.

I have one Belkin 125+G router/access point attached to the main puter, I have one Belkin 125+G Pcmcia card in my CPQ 2140US, Atlon XP 2200+, and one Belkin Wireless network card 125+ G in my HP Pavillion 8490, P3 500 Win 98 machine. It's the old one that's giving me fits. Oh yeah, All are dial up independent of eachother.

Several things have happened after my last post.

1) I stopped Mcafee on the old machine by removing its parts from my MSconfig start up menu. this means only VNC, and Belkin are running (along with Boinc apps of course)

2) I switched from CC4.22 back down to 4.19 so I could participate in LHC.

3) I ran a patch dun14-98 from MS

After all this I've seen the "No finished file" report 5 times on the PPAH units that it's running now.

4) I just switched off Network access.

Give me some time to watch it and I'll report to you later. Oh, Yeah, I'm rebooting it so the stderr and stdout only contain the new data.

Thanks for your help.

tony

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Tony
Typically when you get the 113 error it means that BOINC is not getting through your firewall. So if you start McAfee up again double check your firewall settings. If you want to read more of what causes the heartbeat problem check out Pauls site here
http://boinc-doc.net/_phpMyFAQ/index.php?action=artikel&cat=291825&id=455&artlang=en

As for the IE memory leaks I have not had a problem with it. However several months ago I switched to Mozilla Firefox. I like it better because it seems to load faster and you can customize it by using what are called and extensions. For instance on the Firefox browser I have to the right of the menu bar, the current weather conditons and the next five day outlook. I am currently connected to six different projects so on the status bar I have the total credit and RAC displayed for each project and it is updated every 30 mins. So if you want to get away from IE try Firefox.

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Walt, IT seems you have the right Idea about what's going on here. (praise, the guru). I have let it run overnite and into the morning. It hasn't stopped computing as it has been. Although, If I left it alone another 7 or 8 hours, i'd feel better about calling it working.

Anyway, Here's what's in my Stderr:

2005-02-21 22:14:47 [---] Can't resolve hostname pirates.vassar.edu (host name not found)
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [Pirates@Home] Couldn't read master page for Pirates@Home: error -113
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [Pirates@Home] Master file fetch failed
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [Pirates@Home] Deferring communication with project for 59 minutes and 12 seconds

here's what's in STDout:
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [---] Starting BOINC client version 4.19 for windows_intelx86
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Project prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [SETI@home] Project prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [Pirates@Home] Project prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [LHC@home] Project prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Host ID is 43057
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [SETI@home] Host ID is 465385
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [Pirates@Home] Host ID is 7068
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [LHC@home] Host ID is 22559
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [---] General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2005-02-15 08:14:13)
2005-02-21 22:13:54 [---] General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2005-02-21 22:13:55 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Resuming computation for result t0212E_1_94125_2 using mfoldB125 version 4.22
2005-02-21 22:13:55 [SETI@home] Deferring computation for result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5
2005-02-21 22:13:55 [LHC@home] Deferring computation for result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2
2005-02-21 22:13:55 [---] Insufficient work; requesting more
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Result t0212E_1_94125_2 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
2005-02-21 22:14:47 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Restarting result t0212E_1_94125_2 using mfoldB125 version 4.22
2005-02-21 22:14:59 [---] Suspending network activity - user request
2005-02-21 23:46:27 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Computation for result t0212E_1_94125 finished
2005-02-21 23:46:27 [LHC@home] Restarting result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2 using sixtrack version 4.63
2005-02-22 01:46:27 [SETI@home] Restarting result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5 using setiathome version 4.09
2005-02-22 01:46:27 [LHC@home] Pausing result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 03:46:28 [SETI@home] Pausing result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 03:46:28 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Starting result t0212E_1_94065_0 using mfoldB125 version 4.22
2005-02-22 05:46:30 [LHC@home] Restarting result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2 using sixtrack version 4.63
2005-02-22 05:46:30 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Pausing result t0212E_1_94065_0 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 07:46:31 [SETI@home] Restarting result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5 using setiathome version 4.09
2005-02-22 07:46:31 [LHC@home] Pausing result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 09:46:32 [SETI@home] Pausing result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 09:46:32 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Restarting result t0212E_1_94065_0 using mfoldB125 version 4.22
2005-02-22 11:46:33 [LHC@home] Restarting result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688_2 using sixtrack version 4.63
2005-02-22 11:46:33 [ProteinPredictorAtHome] Pausing result t0212E_1_94065_0 (removed from memory)
2005-02-22 12:11:49 [LHC@home] Computation for result v64lhc94-57s10_12545_1_sixvf_1688 finished
2005-02-22 12:11:49 [SETI@home] Restarting result 04ja05aa.28108.11264.884652.98_5 using setiathome version 4.09

note that immediately after starting I got the "no finished file message" and after suspending network, there are no more of those messages.

So, you think it has something to do with DNS? If so, how do I track that down?

thanks

tony

Oh Lord, I had a couple WU finish, and so I clicked "resume Network Activity". That was 15 minutes ago. THe boinc manager froze up and is still not responding. I was very fast overnite, and this reminds me of the slow reactions I was seeing prior to the "suspension of network" effort. All of Windows parts still work, and other apps will work just fine. It's just the Boinc Manager that's currently not responding. I'm not getting the "not responding message, but the box is empty. Right clicking on the "B" in the task bar yields nothing.

I'll respoond with more soon.

tony

[edit] Ok manager finally displayed the contents on it's own. i clicked on retry now on one of the WU's and it froze up again. I'm going to close Boinc the next time it works again, and then restart it.[edit]

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Walt, Ok it started responding again, I exited and restarted Boinc. I sent in my work and updated the projects. Note: I've also turned back on the "leave in memory" preference.

I'll leave the Network setting enabled for a while and see what happens.

thanks again
tony