Click Save Enterprise to read about the cancellation of S.T.: Enterprise. UPN SUCKS!!!! All they want are all those sitcoms!

There's a campaign to have the Sci-Fi channel pick up Enterprise. I don't know if that's such a good idea, what with my experience of their past.

Go to the site link above and check it out. We need to save Enterprise. It happened in the sixties, it can happen again. LET'S SAVE ENTERPRISE!

L8R....

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My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 09:33 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

SciFi would be perfect. Once you take Rick Berman out of the picture all the good writers that he's pissed off might come back.

> SciFi would be perfect. Once you take Rick Berman out of the picture all the
> good writers that he's pissed off might come back.
>

What??? What do you mean by pissing off writers? Rick Berman has carried the Star Trek torch since before the passing of Gene Roddenberry. Rick is Star Trek now. Fill me in, ok?

L8R....

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My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 09:53 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> 'cuz as I understand it he's also an a$$hole.
>

My boss is an a$$hole too, but I still like him and like working for him. Doesn't mean I'm going to quit or anything.

L8R....

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My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 10:11 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Berman is one of the main reasons why Enterprise was tanking the past 2 seasons and until they brought in some new blood to direct and produce the series. He and the other person behind this debaucle pretty much spelt the end of the series last season. Is Enterprise worth saving?

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> Berman is one of the main reasons why Enterprise was tanking the past 2
> seasons and until they brought in some new blood to direct and produce the
> series. He and the other person behind this debaucle pretty much spelt the
> end of the series last season. Is Enterprise worth saving?
>
>
>
YES It Is!.


Sad Timmy

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Another screwup was every season they kept changing either the day or the time of the show. Plus at the start of the season they'd show a few new episodes then go back into a dozen repeats.

They need more character development and interaction like they had in the Original series and TNG.

> Berman is one of the main reasons why Enterprise was tanking the past 2
> seasons and until they brought in some new blood to direct and produce the
> series. He and the other person behind this debaucle pretty much spelt the
> end of the series last season. Is Enterprise worth saving?
>

And, the meaning of "tanking" is....? Enterprise has used a variety of directors including LeVar Burton, Robert Duncan McNeill and Roxanne Dawson. There's another director, of many of the episodes, who directed for Babylon 5. Can't remember his name off hand. Manny Coto is a new acquisition as a writer/producer and has been around for quite some time.

Rick and "the other person" (do you mean Brannon Braga, co executive producer?) spelled the end of Enterprise last season? Then why did Rick fight to get another season on UPN? UPN does not want Enterprise anymore. They just want their stupid dumba$$ sitcoms. Why do you think UPN put Enterprise on Friday nights? What do people do on Friday nights? They go out. They aren't going to sit home and watch TV all night. UPN knew this and used that move in an agreement with Rick and others to show this fourth season.

This season isn't even half over and UPN has already anounced that they are cancelling Enterprise! UPN is behind this, not Rick Berman et al.

Oh, just in case you're wondering, I have published proof of what I said above.

L8R....

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My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 11:10 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Rick, your example of Friday nights is not accurate IMO.
Remember that X-Files started at 9pm on Friday nights and became the #1 show in that time slot. They only moved to Sundays to fill the gap left when Married With Children ended. I think Enterprise would have more viewers in the 9pm slot than in the 8pm slot. Less competition from other shows.
I believe the Star Trek franchise is owned by Paramount (the studios) and not UPN (their TV network). If SciFi offered enough ca$h for it maybe Paramount would sell the rights or maybe at least contract it to them.

> Remember that X-Files started at 9pm on Friday nights

I think they started on Thursdays.

> Rick, your example of Friday nights is not accurate IMO.
> Remember that X-Files started at 9pm on Friday nights and became the #1 show
> in that time slot. They only moved to Sundays to fill the gap left when
> Married With Children ended. I think Enterprise would have more viewers in
> the 9pm slot than in the 8pm slot. Less competition from other shows.

I agree with you on the 9pm vs. 8pm time slot, but still. However, X-Files was something new and fresh. There was nothing related to it before. I believe that to be the driving force behind it's popularity. Star Trek is some 38 years old and is just not drawing the younger generation. That was the idea behind the prequel Enterprise. They wanted to draw in the young'ins. Also, if I remember right, Rick Berman tried to get UPN to air it at 9pm, but UPN wouldn't have it.

> I believe the Star Trek franchise is owned by Paramount (the studios) and not
> UPN (their TV network). If SciFi offered enough ca$h for it maybe Paramount
> would sell the rights or maybe at least contract it to them.
>

Paramount Studios does own the Star Trek franchise. And, UPN is United/Paramount Network. That has me confused. UPN is part Paramount and yet UPN does not want Enterprise. So who's running the show there?

I don't believe Paramount would relinquish the rights to Star Trek. They're making a lot of money on it, the syndications, the merchandising, et al. Maybe they could do a contract thing with Sci-Fi. But, as with Stargate SG1, I would not see future episodes of Enterprise, unless I could figure out how to afford to upgrade my cable to get Sci-Fi.

Lots to ponder....

L8R....

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My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 11:47 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> Rick, your example of Friday nights is not accurate IMO.
> Remember that X-Files started at 9pm on Friday nights and became the #1 show
> in that time slot. They only moved to Sundays to fill the gap left when
> Married With Children ended. I think Enterprise would have more viewers in
> the 9pm slot than in the 8pm slot. Less competition from other shows.
> I believe the Star Trek franchise is owned by Paramount (the studios) and not
> UPN (their TV network). If SciFi offered enough ca$h for it maybe Paramount
> would sell the rights or maybe at least contract it to them.
>

Nope 9PM would not be good.. They'd have to battle with JAG (CBS), Third Watch (NBC) and Stargate Atlantis (Sci-Fi)..

Paramount had to lower the price of Star Trek to get UPN to carry it at all this year. The year long Xindi Battle was a fiasco and I am not real sure they are doing much better this year..

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The problem with Enterprise is that it's all been done before. As I like to say, it's a "prehash" (as opposed to rehash) of things to come. Enterprise, both in it's story and character development, mirrors Voyager and Next Generation almost exactly. They didn't do anything groundbreaking. Deep Space 9 was about a space station...it was realistic and darker than other Star Treks...therefore DS9 was an excellent show. Voyager looked and felt just like TNG, the only differences were the ship, crew, and aliens. Enterprise is exactly the same...just like TNG, just like Voyager, just different ship, different crew, different aliens. They blew it by not making the story original enough. By the time they actually fixed the problem (season 3) it was too late.

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!

> The problem with Enterprise is that it's all been done before. As I like to
> say, it's a "prehash" (as opposed to rehash) of things to come. Enterprise,
> both in it's story and character development, mirrors Voyager and Next
> Generation almost exactly. They didn't do anything groundbreaking. Deep
> Space 9 was about a space station...it was realistic and darker than other
> Star Treks...therefore DS9 was an excellent show. Voyager looked and felt
> just like TNG, the only differences were the ship, crew, and aliens.
> Enterprise is exactly the same...just like TNG, just like Voyager, just
> different ship, different crew, different aliens. They blew it by not making
> the story original enough. By the time they actually fixed the problem
> (season 3) it was too late.
>

Ohhhhh don't look now, but a two-parter in April will involve the Mirror Universe and the Thollians...

Sadly I think it's time to let Star Trek die a peaceful death..

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i'll agree in many cases the subsequent STAR TREK series have gone back to the well of ideas that were succesful in the original...maybe a little too often...that kind of tells you what remarkable ideas they were in the first place...i think with this new series they were trying to reach yet another new generation of STAR TREK fans...the problem is...that the people they're trying to reach today have had fairly easy access to all things TREK...and are already quite familiar with what has come before...and older TREK fans like me...know that they are "going where others have gone before."...nonetheless i really enjoyed the first season of ENTERPRISE...seeing on the screen the origins of many of the STAR TREK conventions that i've come to know so well...but after that...the redundant storylines began to take a toll on the series...and i think that...and the fact that they moved it to friday night spelled certain doom for ENTERPRISE...i'm still hoping that before this series dies...that they might build a bridge to the original series...say maybe an appearance by a young CHRISTOPHER PIKE...or something like that...corny...yeah...but it'll make me a little misty anyway.

this incarnation of STAR TREK may be dying...but to paraphrase SPOCK in the film...STAR TREK-the undiscovered country...STAR TREK has been dead before...and we all know what happened after that...as SIRAN will attest...vulcan logic is hard to escape.

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PROUD TO BE TFFE!

DS9 was boring and tanking until they introduced the war with the Dominion.

Voyager was nothing more than a glorified Lost In Space and started doing even worse, which is why they introduced the Borg and Jeri Ryan.

> Click Save Enterprise to
> read about the cancellation of S.T.: Enterprise. UPN SUCKS!!!! All they want
> are all those sitcoms!
>
> There's a campaign to have the Sci-Fi channel pick up Enterprise. I don't
> know if that's such a good idea, what with my experience of their past.
>
> Go to the site link above and check it out. We need to save Enterprise. It
> happened in the sixties, it can happen again. LET'S SAVE ENTERPRISE!
>
> L8R....
>
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> My Time: Friday, 11 February 2005 - 09:33 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)
>
>

I never got into Enterprise.....it Sucked.....I watched the orig series and IMO was the best.....STNG was good but DS9 was better. I would like to see a series centered around Earth and the day to day running of the Federation or a show centered on Vulcan. I also think the beginning of the end was when Gene died.

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> > Click Save Enterprise
> >....
> I never got into Enterprise.....it Sucked.....I watched the orig series and
> IMO was the best.....STNG was good but DS9 was better. I would like to see a
> series centered around Earth and the day to day running of the Federation or a
> show centered on Vulcan. I also think the beginning of the end was when Gene
> died.
>

I do not believe that any Star Trek "sucks". I like them all, some to a lesser degree, some to a greater degree, but I like them all. DS-9 was my least favorite series.

The basic premise of Star Trek was/is space exploration et al.

It's in this:

Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

Revised in this:

Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.

DS-9 started getting away from that by being centered around the Cardasian space station, next to a wormhole to the Delta quadrant. Having a series centered around Earth or Vulcan would not follow the basic premise set forth by Gene Roddenberry.

L8R....

My Time: Sunday, 13 February 2005 - 07:43 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> DS-9 started getting away from that by being centered around the Cardasian
> space station, next to a wormhole to the Delta quadrant. Having a series
> centered around Earth or Vulcan would not follow the basic premise set forth
> by Gene Roddenberry.
>
> L8R....
>

GAMMA Quadrant.. Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant..

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

>
> > DS-9 started getting away from that by being centered around the
> Cardasian
> > space station, next to a wormhole to the Delta quadrant. Having a
> series
> > centered around Earth or Vulcan would not follow the basic premise set
> forth
> > by Gene Roddenberry.
> >
> > L8R....
> >
>
> GAMMA Quadrant.. Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant..
>

Uhh.... Oh, I remember now. I was going by the episode of Voyager when they found the 2 Ferengi exploiting people on a planet. That's right. That was a different wormhole in TNG. What was the name? Barzans or something like that, very unpredictable in it's final location. It's funny because when I was first typing that reply, I first typed "Gamma", then changed it to "Delta" remembering the Ferengi there. I sit corrected again, oh wise one.

L8R....

My Time: Sunday, 13 February 2005 - 09:06 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath