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Message 78448 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 17:25:27 UTC

Your reference to the Thereseinstadt concentration camp being a "vacation camp" is crazy and unacceptable Deimos et Phobos! It's time you get real dude.
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Message 78452 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 17:32:03 UTC - in response to Message 78448.  
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> Your reference to the Thereseinstadt concentration camp being a "vacation
> camp" is crazy and unacceptable Deimos et Phobos! It's time you get real dude.
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His lies can be read in this thread. I hope the moderators will deal with holocaust deniers in the appropriate way.
/edit

I Agree totally!
I already have in in my ignore list, because his nazi-talk became unbearable to me.
But as we say here in Germany:
Wehret den Anfängen! (resist the beginning)
I think this project should not deal with Nazis.
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Message 78453 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 17:39:14 UTC

Personally you need to close this thread and change it's name.. Lets not start another flame war. We should let our newly appointed Moderators deal with this..


I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

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Message 78461 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 18:24:50 UTC

Man, it's just that I don't like historical revisionism. Deimos responded to my post about one of the SETI members' URL link "historyofmacedonia.org", where I criticized the website for it's revision Greek history. It seems Deimos is into this sort of thing.
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Message 78465 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 18:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 78461.  

> Man, it's just that I don't like historical revisionism. Deimos responded to
> my post about one of the SETI members' URL link "historyofmacedonia.org",
> where I criticized the website for it's revision Greek history. It seems
> Deimos is into this sort of thing.
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Understandable, but take this off line with the moderators. Rom Walton is one of them.. All this does is triiger more hatred..




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Message 78472 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 18:59:09 UTC - in response to Message 78452.  

> > Your reference to the Thereseinstadt concentration camp being a
> "vacation
> > camp" is crazy and unacceptable Deimos et Phobos! It's time you get real
> dude.
> edit:
> His lies can be read in <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=11317">this
> thread[/url]. I hope the moderators will deal with holocaust deniers in the
> appropriate way.
> /edit
>
> I Agree totally!
> I already have in in my ignore list, because his nazi-talk became unbearable
> to me.
> But as we say here in Germany:
> Wehret den Anfängen! (resist the beginning)
> I think this project should not deal with Nazis.


Yea, I checked out that thread Sanger. You know, many newspapers in 1933 were kinda radical by todays standards, especially the Daily Express that Deimos shows.

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Message 78474 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 19:05:06 UTC

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Message 78477 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 19:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 78452.  

> > Your reference to the Thereseinstadt concentration camp being a
> "vacation
> > camp" is crazy and unacceptable Deimos et Phobos! It's time you get real
> dude.
> edit:
> His lies can be read in <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=11317">this
> thread[/url]. I hope the moderators will deal with holocaust deniers in the
> appropriate way.
> /edit
>
> I Agree totally!
> I already have in in my ignore list, because his nazi-talk became unbearable
> to me.
> But as we say here in Germany:
> Wehret den Anfängen! (resist the beginning)
> I think this project should not deal with Nazis.
>
Yea, I checked out that thread you gave Sanger. Most newspapers in Europe were radical back in those days, especially the Daly Express that Deimos shows.
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Message 78533 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:21:29 UTC

Threads like this always have the potential to create flame wars. This sometimes can be a funny game. But nazi propaganda is not funny and not a game. We should avoid to bring it on this level.

I would suggets not to continue this thread.
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Message 78536 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 78533.  

> Threads like this always have the potential to create flame wars. This
> sometimes can be a funny game. But nazi propaganda is not funny and not a
> game. We should avoid to bring it on this level.
>
> I would suggets not to continue this thread.
>

Actually Jens many of us would perfer you just delete this thread and the others that have turned into a cesspool of racial bigotry.


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Message 78538 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:28:46 UTC - in response to Message 78521.  

> That's what the IGNORE feature is for.
>
> Go into "your account" then click "edit forum preferences" at the bottom on
> the page enter their ID number and click "add user to filter", then click
> "update info".
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I know Misfit, but I prefer not to ignore a fellow member. Let's remember that we are all involved in in the SETI radio data analysis program. That makes us colleagues here.
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Message 78548 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:43:03 UTC

colleague means an associate..

I deny being in league with this type of bigotted blind hate..


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Message 78554 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:55:54 UTC - in response to Message 78548.  

> colleague means an associate..
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> I deny being in league with this type of bigotted blind hate..
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You probably have a point there Paul. If statements really get that bad like this one, the web opperators should enforce the policy regarding the posting of malicious messages.
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Message 78556 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 21:57:16 UTC - in response to Message 78548.  

> colleague means an associate..
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> I deny being in league with this type of bigotted blind hate..
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Paul this I can agree with..


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Message 78575 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 23:00:02 UTC - in response to Message 78556.  

> > colleague means an associate..
> >
> > I deny being in league with this type of bigotted blind hate..
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> Paul this I can agree with..
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Message 78588 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 23:45:12 UTC

So, what's going on here? This guy hasn't converted anyone to his point of view; at best he's proven to us all that there are sick people out there who live their life believing lies or delusions. He stated his point of view, and anyone who was interested took a shot at trying to dispute him (an impossible task when dealing with zealots of any stripe). As offensive as his view may be, there is no good reason he can not state it, nor any good reason he can't be ignored.

This is quite different from the actual disruption of this forum committed by some in the past. In fact, based on those incidents, the developers have given us the ability to rate (and thus hide) posts, and to place individuals on ignore status. Unless D et P becomes a physical hindrance to enjoying the boards, just do not give him the satisfaction of throwing reason and truth at his obscene pronouncements.
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Message 78591 - Posted: 11 Feb 2005, 23:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 78588.  

> So, what's going on here? This guy hasn't converted anyone to his point of
> view; at best he's proven to us all that there are sick people out there who
> live their life believing lies or delusions. He stated his point of view, and
> anyone who was interested took a shot at trying to dispute him (an impossible
> task when dealing with zealots of any stripe). As offensive as his view may
> be, there is no good reason he can not state it, nor any good reason he can't
> be ignored.
>
> This is quite different from the actual disruption of this forum committed by
> some in the past. In fact, based on those incidents, the developers have
> given us the ability to rate (and thus hide) posts, and to place individuals
> on ignore status. Unless D et P becomes a physical hindrance to enjoying the
> boards, just do not give him the satisfaction of throwing reason and truth at
> his obscene pronouncements.
>

Hello Tom,

I agree. Sometimes, "Free Speech" is often offensive speech. If you don't like it don't read or listen to it. But don't say because I neither like it nor believe it that it should be banned or censored. I didn't fight in several wars to uphold The Constitution to have parts of it thrown away just because I don't believe in what someone has to say.

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Message 78594 - Posted: 12 Feb 2005, 0:06:46 UTC

Why is it auch a crime to "deny" the holocaust with actual facts? What do you have to hide? You offer no proof but "it must have happened". I offer verifiable facts that prove otherwise. Searching for the truth hardly makes one a "hater, or bigot". Facts that don't fit what you BELIEVE happened are what you find offensive. If you find the truth offensive, stick your head back in the sand and believe the lie that's been pumped into you for the past 60 years. If facts say different to what is commonly accepted. Then what's commonly accepted must be untrue to a degree.

Take a look at that camp again and tell me what was wrong with it? All well fed, get to perform operas, recitals, what else could you ask for? Even run by Jews. Well, atleast 1 was disciplined for falsifying camp records while in charge. But what do you expect from them? It's in their nature to lie.






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Message 78599 - Posted: 12 Feb 2005, 0:13:16 UTC

Thank you for fighting for our country Ziggy. My dad is a Vietnam veteran, so I understand why this may mean a lot to you. But the comments about a concentration camp being a "vacation camp" are just too cruel.

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Message 78602 - Posted: 12 Feb 2005, 0:30:57 UTC
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If that camp was truely a vacation spot, then it was used by the nazis as propaganda. They tried to show how good they were to the Jews and then did the horrible things to all the other Jews under cover.

The only conspiracy here is the nazis trying to coverup what they were really doing.
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