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Message 5585 - Posted: 9 Jul 2004, 6:31:41 UTC

G'day

I've downloaded today last version, and everything works well now (it gets the new server).

But I still don't have any credits for all the WU I have calculated and sent form the BOINC client for the last month...??..
On the client, my credits are all the time at 0.0 and when I've check my account on the web, the "feature" is disabled !!!

Moreover, the WU calculated from the BOINC client are not added to the one previously (or still) calculated from the old Seti@Home Client
What's that stuff !!
Stupid counters.
How can we play if we don't see our score ?
And why moving from a version to another does not accumulate our score ?
This sucks.
Anyway, I'm still using both the old and the BOINC in parralel and I know that's stupid but I want my scores back and added.

Please do something guys.
And when will you add a sky map in the boinc client to see what area of the sky we did calculated (yeah because this MapView thing doesn't work)

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Mat
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Message 5637 - Posted: 9 Jul 2004, 14:25:21 UTC

While the exact nature of your problem isn't clear to me, I think I can still answer your question.

First, this isn't really a "game" so there isn't really anything to "play." The scores are there mainly so that you can guage how much work you've done, compare that to others, and yes, encourage more workunit processing by taking advantage of the competive nature of people. But this is still just a giant science project.

Second, it has been kind of discouraging for me to have so many of the features on the website "temporarily disabled." However, if you can access your account properties, you can see how much credit you have actually been granted. It also shows up in the BOINC GUI and is updated when the client communicates with the server. Unfortunately, for some reason they have the pending credit disabled, and I think I saw somewhere that it would be disabled until next month so it could be a while.

Third, as I alluded to above, you have to be granted credit in order for it to show up. Each work unit has to be processed by three computers, each returning very similar (not necesarily exactly the same from what I understand) results before credit will be granted, so it can take a little while before your credit starts showing up.

Fourth, credit from the original SETI@home does not carry over to BOINC directly. BOINC starts everyone out at the same point REGARDLESS of how much work was done in the original version. It does however show how much work you did, albeit their "snapshot" was taken quite a while back. I read somewhere that when the original SETI@Home project is taken completely offline though, that a new snapshot will be taken and the credit listed will then be accurate. I don't know how true that is, but I think it would be nice to show those numbers accurately.

Hopefully this explains everything to you and why your credit reads 0. If it doesn't, and you had credit on BOINC before and it disappeared between installs, then you either created a new account, or somethine bizarre happened.

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Message 6423 - Posted: 11 Jul 2004, 8:41:55 UTC - in response to Message 5637.  

Thanks Chris,

Yeah I'm not a newbie regarding Seti@Home but I'm one regarding the BOINC version...

By "playing" I was exactly meaning what you mean (it's not a game but the competitive side makes it one ;) )

Two things in my mind :
- Very poor that old "credits" are not added and we begin back from scratch...
- Previously, the old Seti@Home was showing the numbers of unit processed (this is the thing interresting for us), and wasn't talking in terms of Credits. The Boinc version should ALSO show up the number of WU processed locally along with the "credits" .
But I'm pretty sure that the number of WU computed for each account is an important value because it represents directly the TIME SPENT TO CALCULATE WU and NOT the number of WU valids and accepted by berkeleys.

Example: If one of my WU for wich I spent 8 hours to calculate is not validated by berkeley's servers, I DONT CARE. I want to see it on my account stat cos it DID TAKE MY COMP 8 HOURS ANYWAY to process.
Mmmm not sure u understand what I mean exactly ?...

Thanks anyway,
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Mathieu

> While the exact nature of your problem isn't clear to me, I think I can still
> answer your question.
>
> First, this isn't really a "game" so there isn't really anything to "play."
> The scores are there mainly so that you can guage how much work you've done,
> compare that to others, and yes, encourage more workunit processing by taking
> advantage of the competive nature of people. But this is still just a giant
> science project.
>
> Second, it has been kind of discouraging for me to have so many of the
> features on the website "temporarily disabled." However, if you can access
> your account properties, you can see how much credit you have actually been
> granted. It also shows up in the BOINC GUI and is updated when the
> client communicates with the server. Unfortunately, for some reason they have
> the pending credit disabled, and I think I saw somewhere that it would be
> disabled until next month so it could be a while.
>
> Third, as I alluded to above, you have to be granted credit in order for it to
> show up. Each work unit has to be processed by three computers, each returning
> very similar (not necesarily exactly the same from what I understand) results
> before credit will be granted, so it can take a little while before your
> credit starts showing up.
>
> Fourth, credit from the original SETI@home does not carry over to BOINC
> directly. BOINC starts everyone out at the same point REGARDLESS of how much
> work was done in the original version. It does however show how much work you
> did, albeit their "snapshot" was taken quite a while back. I read somewhere
> that when the original SETI@Home project is taken completely offline though,
> that a new snapshot will be taken and the credit listed will then be accurate.
> I don't know how true that is, but I think it would be nice to show those
> numbers accurately.
>
> Hopefully this explains everything to you and why your credit reads 0. If it
> doesn't, and you had credit on BOINC before and it disappeared between
> installs, then you either created a new account, or somethine bizarre
> happened.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Message 6496 - Posted: 11 Jul 2004, 13:14:40 UTC - in response to Message 6423.  
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> - Previously, the old Seti@Home was showing the numbers of unit processed
> (this is the thing interresting for us), and wasn't talking in terms of
> Credits. The Boinc version should ALSO show up the number of WU processed
> locally along with the "credits" .
> But I'm pretty sure that the number of WU computed for each account is an
> important value because it represents directly the TIME SPENT TO CALCULATE WU
> and NOT the number of WU valids and accepted by berkeleys.

The statistics about the WU's already processed will come on the webpage of "My Account" under "View" in the future.
If you want to have something already available now as statistics, you can download either BoincLogX here or you can use also BoincView here.


Greetings from Belgium.
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